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3 points submitted 2 days agoThe canada goose outlet michigan logic is probably that the reduced rows are canada goose outlet in usa on deadlift day (workout B) so you doing a slightly lighter variant of the barbell row, compared to workout A that doesn have you deadlifting. It hard to do heavy rows after a heavy set of deadlifts.To get up on a soapbox / go off on a tangent here: Many reasonable people can disagree with me on this but I don think ICF 5×5 is a very well canada goose outlet belgium built program and I am surprised it still listed in the canada goose outlet in vancouver Wiki. It basically Starting Strength / StrongLifts with some questionably programmed accessories tacked onto it. SS/SL were removed from the Wiki (good decisions IMO) but not ICF, which baffles me.I realize /u/eric_twinge offered a rationale for this here but I just disagree with it. 1 point submitted 2 days agoI mean it seems like you already know the main counter argument so I am likely just re treading old water here, but I answer anyway.I should start by saying though, that yes, I agree with your official canada goose outlet post that there is utility in having an easily digestible program. Just something a beginner can blindly execute canada goose outlet in montreal in the gym without thinking too much about canada goose outlet in uk it, especially since the ability to keep throwing weight onto the bar is psychologically satisfying when you just starting out, and it nice to have accessories pre programmed when so many programs often ignore or neglect that aspect.However, a picframer lot of these beginner programs simultaneously shoot themselves in the feet because they only focus on increasing weight as fast as possible and offer nothing more, especially when it comes to how to handle plateaus and walls. We could argue that taking additional variables into account makes things more complicated, which takes the program out of the realm of “suitable for beginners,” but regardless I think it necessary to focus on things like work capacity, conditioning, adaptation to multiple rep ranges, getting acquainted with good form, proper deloading, how to overload these metrics, and so on things that actually provide a solid foundation for athletic development and working through sticking points.A lot of this is completely ignored in SS and SL which is why I fully agreed with their removal from the Wiki / FAQ, but somehow ICF 5×5 can be guilty of the same major flaws but make the canada goose outlet in canada cut because of some accessories? I just fail to see why that enough. Even when we look at the accessories themselves, they mostly basic, and some seem possibly harmful. Ab work, sure. Bicep curls, sure. But shrugs? The program already has plenty of core and trap work between heavy squats, deadlifts, rows, and the overhead press. Why are we asking beginners to tack on an exercise that is canada goose coats uk likely to injure them or interfere with their performance and recovery?I understand that the usual response to this is “People can still make plenty of progress on a program like this,” but I think the same can be said for almost any program. I could write a script that spits out random canada goose outlet canada goose outlet store location lifts with random sets/rep ranges and people will be able to make progress, because anything will work at canada goose outlet in toronto least for a few weeks canada goose outlet buffalo or months. That doesn mean it necessarily a good program.What good is getting someone into the gym with a simple program when they going to return in 6 months and feel frustrated / demotivated because they have no idea what they doing wrong or canada goose outlet germany what they should be doing now? Eventually those people will have to go back to square one and re build everything they should have been focused on in the first place, so why not save people the time and avoid programs that teach them bad habits especially beginners who don have the experience to know any better? I just don agree that accessories are a sufficient reason to keep a canada goose jacket outlet uk program around that suffers from such major flaws. 1 point submitted 2 days agoTo be perfectly blunt, the majority of people posting in this sub aren going to make it 6 months on any program. They not even going to make it 3. They are going to look around, try something, and peter out or just plain give up.We don have ICF at the top of canada goose outlet montreal the list. We explicitly tell people to start with Phraks (which still amazes me that people think this is okay vs the others because of an AMRAP set) and then to move on to 5/3/1 for Beginners.And people still ask, what about my arms? What about abs? etc etc. ICF fills a niche. It a shitty niche for people that most likely aren going to make it. But it is, at the very least, a foot in the door and if they do stick it canada goose outlet paypal out they are going to find out why it not the best. Especially if they found the program here and stick around the sub.And supposing they do spend a whole 6 months on it, it not the waste everyone wants to pretend that it is. It still something to build on and an experience to learn from.It a shit program, I get it. Nothing you saying is wrong exempt for the audience you trying to save. The program not for us and it not for the people that want to dive in the deep end right off the bat and know they going canada goose outlet los angeles to be in it for the long haul. It canada goose outlet houston a program to for the 9 to 5ers that can only spare 3 hours a week and just want a brain dead program they can plug into an app because they know they should do something but don really wanna. AMRAPs and FSLs and pick three for 50 100 and T1/T2/T3 are good ways to tip things towards not gonna.It a concession. Not a ringing endorsement.edit: sorry, this came out a little more heated than I intended. I really do hate this program and nothing you said about it is wrong.ApiaryJJ 8 points submitted 2 days agoAlright you homegymers with a GHD similar to the Rogue Echo version, I have a weak posterior chain relative to my quads that is a big contributor to chronic low back pain. Back squats and deadlifts are a staple of my lifting program, but I want to add glutes ham raises. I had my wife hold my ankles and did a few sets of assisted natural GHRs and, while I incredibly weak in that movement, it felt like it is something that would be of tremendous benefit.Space is scarce in my garage, but I want to add a GHD. I been pondering the Rogue Echo GHD which is made up of a foot roller canada goose outlet washington dc attachment and a GHD pad that is fastened to a play box. From what I can tell, I have to get canada goose clothing uk the stabilizer to keep it from tipping and moving toward the roller attachment. Rogue photos only canada goose parka outlet demo GHD sit ups which I have little interest in. I imagine, some sort of hack will be required to canada goose outlet sale keep the pad from walking away from the rollers canada goose outlet winnipeg during GHD reason I am considering the Echo version is for space savings as canada goose outlet online store review we still park our cars in the garage. I could technically fit a full sized GHD, but will have to roll it around canada goose outlet 2015 each workout so it is out of the way.
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